Archaic Pedagogy
The sad fact of the matter is that most folks who consider themselves martial artists would do a very poor job of defending themselves in a actual fight. This is not because they aren't good students or the art that they practice isn't viable (though that can certainly be true). They can't fight or even defend themselves because proficiency requires a robust and practical training method and most martial arts, mired in the traditions of the East, do not possess them.
Kishore Mahbubani, the former Ambassador to the UN and current Dean of the Lew Kew Yuan School of Public Policy, wrote a book a few years back titled, "Can Asians Think?" Quite a controversial topic I thought though the book never got the attention it deserved. Imagine if it was titled "Can Africans Think?" or "Can Latinos Think?" Anyway, the book asked a very provacative question. Why is it, that given the tremendous advantage of the oldest coherent civilization, all the Asian countries, except Japan, were well behind Western nations is pretty much every category pertaining to standard of living? That's a damned good question. His answer, and one I well agree with, is that Asian countries place too much emphasis on tradtion, stifling growth and advancement. This is true across the board. A friend of mine when to China to study Chinese and he found the pedagogy at the finest Chinese University alarmingly backwards. In conversations he had with his youngers teachers, he heard them lament about the situation. The younger professors knew that there was a better way to do thing but they couldn't change anything because the texts were written by older professors and to criticize them in any way was simply verbotten.
Let me use aikido as an example. My friend, The Aikidoist, said in the comment section of a previous post that the lethality of aikido was on par with the lethality of harder arts, Muay Thai for example. He said that the skills of a fully competent aikidoka were just as effective as anything else. I can certainly see why he would think this. A properly performed shiho-nage will certainly do more overall damage than my best punch to the face. Throwing someone forcefully onto concrete beats any single striking weapon in my arsenal, hands down. The problem is, I've never seen a fully competent aikidoka. Every single person that I've seen and trained with, who had a chance of using aikido effectively in a real fight all had skills from other arts. I haven't met or even heard of anybody who only practiced aikido fight well. That certainly says something.
I understand why this is. If you look at the development of aikido, all its major proponents all had high levels of proficiency in other arts before they came to aikido. They all could punch, kick and throw properly before finding aikido. But because of that, there is no punching in the aikido curriculum. That's a huge problem. Look at the way kote-gaeshi is often practiced. The uke telegraphs something reasonable facsimile of a punch to the mid-section of the nage who uses tenkan to spin out of the way, grab the wrist and perform the technique. The fact of the matter is that if I crack a jab at an aikidoka's mid-section, he will simply not have enough time to do all that. I will pick him apart before he can practice any technique.
Once, while training with Ikeda sensei, we got into it somewhat. Ikeda Sensei is without a doubt the single most proficient practitioner of the art I've come in contact with. He's amazing and has performed feats bordering on the unreal. In this particular instance, he had me punch at his face and I mean really try to punch him. I never hit him and once he adjusted to me, he was able to knock me down everytime he hit me without seriously injuring me. He must have knocked me down more than a dozen times and I only had a bloody lip. That's amazing. I've never been knocked down in the ring. I can take a considerable amount of damage and stay on my feet. How was he doing that? I have some vague idea. He's a master at disrupting balance but it's interesting to note that he didn't use an 'aikido' technique per se. He hit me. I was simply moving too fast and adjusting too quickly for any traditional aikido technique to work. He paired it down to a punch but it was a punch done in an "aiki" way. That's why it knocked me down. He can do that and make that adjustment because he already had effective punches in his repetoire. If he didn't and only had traditional aikido techniques to use on me, I daresay he wouldn't have done so well.
Also, even after personally feeling the efficacy of his technique, I still do not know how an actual fight between us would actually look. I would never just rush in and throw my best punch at somebody like Ikeda Sensei. I would try to pick him apart with jabs and gradually wear him down. If I could slow him down enough with leg kicks (something traditional aikido has no defense for) then I could eventually beat him I believe. I know exactly what a fight between Master Toddy and me would look like. We'd square off and he'd launch a barrage I couldn't endure. Or he'd counter punch me to bits. You get the idea. The pedagogy of aikido doesn't allow me to glove up and see what my instructor would do if I actually tried to fight him as I would in reality. Even at the highest levels, I never saw anybody train like that. It was always that same uke/nage structure that is too limiting for modern self-defense.
When it comes right down to it, it's all about training methods, Take an art like Krav Maga. Developed by the IDF, it's popular with folks who worship all things Israeli. It certainly does possess some interesting things. But simply adding a gun disarm to what basically looks like a Japanese art doesn't do much for its efficacy. As interesting as some of their interpretations are, they are still practiced in that Japanese uke/nage one-step style. Fights just don't unfold like that in any situation. The Japanese training method only works if your opponent is telegraphing his one attack in which he marshalls all his strength, and only him. It doesn't work against a sneakier fighter.
For the East Asian arts to stay relevant, they have to advance. And some do. Look at Kyokushinkai Karate. The training methods have advanced because it's practitioners have gotten into the ring and really fought. If you take competition out of the training method, there is no standard by which to judge technique. It's true that some techniques do too much damage to practice at combat speed. But what's more valuable, a less lethal technique that you own or a massively lethal technique you kind of know and have only pulled off in controlled conditions? Martial arts have already advanced with the introduction of cross-training. Now we just have to advance the training methods and our arts will stay relevant and not become some relic of the past.
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2:44 AM
What Ikeda-sensei did to you is exactly what aikido teaches. Get out of the way (ie. do not get hit) and respond to the attack by unbalancing your attacker without significantly injurying them. If you do this enough you will wear down their will to the point that they will decide it is fruitless to continue attacking.
In regard to aikido training....
This varies depending on your sensei. My sensei stresses, with equal emphasis, the spiritual and the physical elements of aikido.
For the physical practice, yes, the strikes are telegraphed...in the beginning, say up to ni-kyu or sho-dan. Once you attain a certain level of proficiency, we no longer telegraph strikes in order to simulate a real situation. This is the same in any fighting system. You must first learn to punch, or kick, or knee a stationary target before you progress to a moving one, to a target that fights back, etc.
Neither do we hold back on the attack. If you do not get out of the way, you will get hit, or grabbed, or choked, or whatever. We also train against kicks, knees, head strikes, etc.
The primary point of aikido (at least as I practice it) is not to learn and apply "technique", though many schools of aikido focus on this element of the art (which, in my opinion moves it out of the realm of a true fighting art into the realm of a movement art). The point of aikido, as we practice it, is to develop "feel" in order to read your opponent's balance and intention before, during and after an attack. Technique only comes after you have done this. Then if a technique presents itself, you apply it.
Another response, which Ikeda-sensei did to you, is atemi, or a strike. But it is not an overwhelming or decisive strike like in muay thai. The strike is designed to unbalance or distract your opponent in order to create an openning for the application of a technique. If an openning does not present itself, you do not execute a techique. You recover your proper distance from your opponent and maintain your awareness in preparation for another attack.
I will be the first to admit that it takes years of diligent and hard training to develop these skills. That is why I tell people who desire to study aikido as a system of self-defense to go learn something else, preferably a more physically demanding art like muay thai, first. Only then will they have the experience and appreciation needed to begin the life-long road to mastery of aikido.
2:45 AM
Without significantly injuring them? A throw-- any throw does more damage than a punch. Ikeda sensei's unbalancing of me didn't hurt me because my ukemi was up to the task.If it wasn't, I would have been injured as is the intention of the technique. You are wrong about the atemi Ikeda sensei used on me. You did not see it and you cannot imagine what it felt like. It was not a distration. It was a strike. There are no effective strikes in the aikido curriculum. If you have atemi in your testing, your instructor added them himself. You do not commonly get tested on your ability to execute a punch. It's simply not part of aikido at any level. Any aikidoks I've ever seen who could hit learned it from another art. And I've been in this art a long time.
The idea that learning aikido alone will help you learn to "read balance" in a combat situation just isn't true. It doesn't matter how hard or honest my attack is if you know it's coming. Deception is at the heart of all warfare. Aikido simply doesn't deal with that.
Tell you what, my friend. Next time you're in town, I'll glove up and we'll try it on the mat. If you can execute, even partially, one aikido technique on me, I'll buy dinner and drinks at any restaurant of your choosing. Okay?
The training methods of aikido must advance into the 31st century. Staying with the old structure just holds the development of the art back.
3:14 AM
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2:43 PM
First of all, you are right, I was not there. The way you presented the story in your post made the engagement seem less than decisive:
"...he was able to knock me down everytime he hit me without seriously injuring me. He must have knocked me down more than a dozen times and I only had a bloody lip. That's amazing."
You never said anything about your having to take ukemi.
Speaking of ukemi, throws only do more damage than a punch if you do not know how to ukemi. Punches only do more damage than a throw if they are landed. I completely depends on the situation and your opponnets reaction and abilties.
My instructor did not just add atemi into his curricullum arbitrarily. There is historical precedent for it. Aikido comes from daito-ryu aiki-jujtsu. Aiki-jujutsu uses atemi. You are correct when you say that formal aikido testing does not include atemi. But historically, aikido came from a martial lineage that used it. Without atemi, aikido loses an immense amount of practical application.
I never said "...that learning aikido alone will help you learn to 'read balance' in a combat situation..." Only that it is a "primary" point in our study. I should have used the word "fundamental" vice "primary". Of course other arts will teach you the same thing, but I believe that this element of fighting is what aikido puts in primacy, much more so than the other arts, from the very beginning. The curriculum is designed to develop this skill. That is why aikido is so difficult to learn, especially if you do not have any other martial art experience.
Deception is at the heart of all warfare. We practice it in our aikido study. Otherwise, why would I practice it if as a figting system it had no practical value? So to summarily dismiss aikido as having no value in a suprise attack is just incorrect. I tell you what, next time I am in town (which will hopefully be this summer) we will hit the mat. I will show you how we train and you tell me what you think.
Also, I do not understand, even with reading your last post, what you mean by "...the training methods of aikido must advance into the [2]1st century. Staying with the old structure just holds the development of the art back." I just do not train the way you descibe. But, I am certainly open to any recommendations as how to best train in the art.
I do not claim to have all the answers nor to have a high level of proficiency (go back and read my first post). But, as seems to always be the case with our jousting, I believe we lack a common language. You know just as well as I do that what we are doing here on these blogs with regards to martial arts is in many ways mental masterbation...arguing for arguing sake. The common language we lack is proximity, as the only way to answers these questions and test these theories is to step on the mat.
2:47 PM
Well, yes, it's best to step on the mat. That's the best way to figure it out and that's the strength of the martial arts. What I mean by advancing the training method is the structure in which aikido is taught. The uke/nage or uke/tori structure of aikido is an inefficient way of gain proficiency because it tries to do too many things at once. Take something like yokomenuchi kote-gaeshi. Technically speaking, that's not once technique but maybe 6 different techniques strung together. It is much more efficient to develop each of the constituent parts and then learn to coordinate those separate actions then it is to do it all at once. I know for myself that when I came back to aikido after Wing Chun and Kali, I was much better because those arts had drills which applied to performing aikido techinque. My primary problem with all the Japanese arts is the manner in which they are taught. I've been doing Japanese arts for 30 years now. The only arts that have been affected by the advances in training technology are karate-based kickboxing and competition judo. There's a reason for that.
As far as ukemi goes... if Ikeda sensei knocked me down and I got back up, the implication is that my ukemi took care of me. Ukemi is not just the art of falling. It is the art of yielding.Of knowing when you have to give up your position to prevent injury. Had I not done that, Ikeda sensei's atemi would have knocked out teeth and hurt me. Ukemi is much more than just falling. All of my techers have told me to focus on ukemi because that's the way you learn. Ukemiis much more than just rolling.
I have a fair level of proficiency in the Daito Ryu curriculum as well as Daito Roppokai. Their techniques, as a rule, are significant more brutal than anything in the aikido curriculu. Look at Daito's yama arashi for an example. But as rough as the techniques are, they don't cover the aspect of fighting that is the most interesting to me.
A fight is a mess. Look at any boxing or MMA match. It doesn't look pretty and it doesn't look clean. There's the martial art you practice in the dojo and what a fight looks like and the Japanese training method provides no nexus between the two. They just kind of say, "Either you get it or you don't." I could always fight so the nexus wasn't much interest in me until I got to the point where I wondered why I couldn't use all the nasty little tools I practiced. I know a tone of stuff. I'm proficient in a dozen arts. But in a fight, I basically do 2 things. I think that's kind of strange.
By deception, I don't mean surprise. I mean deception. I mean making you think I'm going t kick you and punching you instead. And vice versa. Aikido does not practice that. No traditional Japanese art does. You either get it or you don't. I'll show you what I mean this summer.
I think it's important to think, talk and argue about the arts because that is what prevents us from mindlessly following some ridiculous training method for years and suddenly finding out that all our skills have deserted us in our hour of need. I'm enjoying this, my friend.
3:21 PM
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